UNITED STATES: ALL PERSONS WITH FLU-LIKE SYMPTOMS TO BE TESTED FOR CORONAVIRUS

UNITED STATES: ALL PERSONS WITH FLU-LIKE SYMPTOMS TO BE TESTED FOR CORONAVIRUS
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US health authorities on Friday said they are ready to institute “mitigation” measures to minimize the harm caused by transmission of the novel coronavirus even as they significantly expanded efforts to contain the outbreak from becoming widespread in the country.

In a telephone briefing with reporters, Nancy Messonnier of the Centers for Diseases Control and Prevention (CDC) said that the US would begin to test individuals for the coronavirus if they have been identified by local health authorities as having flu-like symptoms.

The heightened measures – a major expansion of Washington’s effort to contain the outbreak – will see the CDC work with public health labs in Los Angeles and San Francisco in California; Seattle, Washington; Chicago, Illinois; and New York City. More sites are planned, she said.

Messonier, the director of the CDC’s Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, also addressed a rising debate among health officials and epidemiologists on whether to pivot from “containment” of the outbreak – through measures such as contact tracing and isolating those who come into contact with infected people – to mitigation strategies.

Those advocating for mitigation say that the latest data prove the virus has a high transmissibility that almost certainly dooms containment efforts. In a scenario where the virus reaches pandemic levels, a policy of mitigation would mean those with mild symptoms would be asked to seek outpatient medical treatment and rest at home.

 

 

Only those with acute symptoms would be hospitalized, while a policy of “social distancing” that would include school and workplace closures would also be instituted.

Messonnier stressed that the two strategies were not mutually exclusive. While the possibility of widespread transmission of the coronavirus in the US would trigger a “change in our response strategy”, Messonnier said, mitigation and containment measures could be employed at the same time.

“There are times when those components merge together across the United States, potentially at different locations in the United States,” she said.

For now, she said, the CDC remained focused on keeping the number of confirmed coronavirus cases in the US – currently at 15 – as low as possible.

Messonnier said that mitigation would entail a reduction in the current practice in the US and elsewhere of tracing and isolating every person who comes into contact with infected people.

Instead, efforts to disrupt the virus would happen at the community level through “social distancing” measures that would include telecommuting, teleschooling and telemedicine.

 

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    wendy maddalena · 1 months ago
    so I have this silly recurrent thought that guys in hazmat suits will come to the door or meet me on the street and just as I am having a hot flash - they take my temperature - think I am feverish and haul me away... of course the flash will be brought on by the stress of being approached by people in hazmat suits!!!!!
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    GR Moore · 1 months ago
    You need to understand what ISN'T being said here...

    "...would entail a reduction in the current practice in the US and elsewhere of tracing and isolating every person who comes into contact with infected people." This means this situation is totally out of control. They don't have the manpower to do tracing. There are/will be far too many cases to do so, and a different strategy will be required.

    The only effective strategy is to lock everything down. No one leaves their home for an extended period of time - 14 days, 28 days, whatever is necessary to maintain R0 below 1.

    In China, this means martial law, which they have begun to implement. China can do this because the are a totalitarian government, and there would be little if any backlash from the populace or the world in maintaining martial law. In the US, itis a different story. We have rampant drug use and crime, all citizens enjoy their freedom of movement and won't give it up, and we have a shit-ton of guns to back it up. Our nation is ill prepared for a complete lockdown - no stored food, water or medicine, and there would be a massive die off from starvation, severe medical issues, murders and suicides if it went on for any duration. Very few are prepared for 3 days, let alone 3 weeks or 3 months.

    Instead, the government creates a social stigma "at the community level through 'social distancing' measures that would include telecommuting, teleschooling and telemedicine." This is quarantine, isolation and social credit scoring wrapped into one, without the necessity to quarantine entire cities. The government is gently easing us into the same stages that China has gone through, and trying to avoid the mass panic that sent millions of them out to hospitals that weren't equipped for it. Johnny has been a bad boy and broken quarantine - no Farcebook for him for a week.

    There is simply no way these 5 cities, let alone the entire country, can accurately screen every seasonal flu case, allergy or sniffle. The tests are $500 each, and the accuracy ranges from 10% - 50% - a coin flip will generally give better results. Expand that to millions of people - the CDC can manage to do 30 tests in a weekend. The cost would be enormous. Not. Gonna. Happen.

    Few businesses are tele-enabled, and few of those have a business model that supports telepresense. Even fewer of those can afford the IT infrastructure required to rapidly shift to a remote work model and maintain compliance regulations (PII, HIPAA, PCI) or have in house staff to even approach implementing a system that works. Some companies have disaster recovery plans already in place that provide for remote work, but those are the vast minority of businesses in the US, and certainly not the millions of mom and pop operations across the country.

    On time delivery systems would rapidly fail. Supplies will dwindle quickly, and smaller businesses will close up shop quickly. Unemployment will skyrocket as smaller companies can't keep afloat.

    This is just another feel good solution designed to buy them time and allow them to continue kicking the can down the road hoping for a miracle. We are at the first stages of what China has been going through since December, and we WILL end up going through all the same stages they have, culminating in martial law.

    I have no doubt there are far more cases in the US, Canada Mexico - hell, around the world, than have been officially announced. If you've not already gotten prepared for what is likely coming, what the fuck are you waiting on?
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      wendy maddalena · 1 months ago
      I like your post - sensible and realistic - my goodness some of the posts could send some running and screaming into the streets - if we panic our ability to think rationally is diminished and that's when we get ourselves in trouble. Steady On Everyone!
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    Paul Lambert · 1 months ago
    I thought the whole problem was the people are contagious before even showing symptoms.
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    ThinkTime · 1 months ago
    Answer to last night's question re: Rochester, NY / Monroe County:
    https://www.whec.com/rochester-new-york-news/coronavirus-quarantine-flu/5645175/?cat=565
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    Brad Bolz · 1 months ago
    I missed some of the radio show. Did Mr. Turner say his intercepted text message said that there were more than 1,000 cases already in the USA and that they were worried about starting a panic?
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      Skippy Name · 1 months ago
      It said, someone found this text message exchange on their dads phone and sent it out
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        Skippy Name · 1 months ago
        Woops, she was confronted on her twitter page and blocked and made hidden the replies to a different story.
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      Donald William Wahl Jr · 1 months ago
      Yes
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      Sedge Hammer · 1 months ago
      Not buying it. I've said it before and I'll say it again, no way the nurses, doctors, nurses aids, janitors, visitors, etc will stay silent. To many eye balls with cell phones. Plus covering it up makes it worse. It doesn't stop people from panicking.
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        Mike · 1 months ago
        Wasn't it a hospital in Pittsburgh where someone from the medical staff that worked on a coronavirus patient said that the feds made them sign NDA's prohibiting them from talking about it or face federal prosecution. Seems to me that would go along way to keep most of them quiet.
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          Sedge Hammer · 1 months ago
          So doctors in China. China. One more time. Doctors in China will report it, but not doctors, nurses, any other workers with knowledge here wont...... Ok.
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            TSlinger · 1 months ago
            While I tend to agree with you here on this...NDA's can be scary. I see them regularly and they have teeth.
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        Occams Razor · 1 months ago
        I think in certain communities/circles there is this fellow ship thing and if you violate the click they will ruin you and you will never get a job again. With that type of pressure, there are none so blind as those who choose not to see, or who's job and lively hood depends on it, especially if they are first in line to receive the vaccine or go to a DUMB bunker why would they jeopardize their get out jail free ticket?
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          Sedge Hammer · 1 months ago
          So doctors in China. China. One more time. Doctors in China will report it, but not doctors, nurses, any other workers with knowledge here wont...... Ok.
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            Occams Razor · 1 months ago
            Well, who did the Doctors in China report it to? The State Run News? No, they leaked it out via Clandestine measures ... most likely a USB stick with a Video over to somewhere the state run goons can't squelch the post. People will notify their family and friends. Thats' what happened in the Movie Contagion. But they aren't going to hold a press conference violating their oath of silence. The lone nail sticking up gets hammered down. Look at how many engineers came forward with 9/11 and said a burning building won't pancake down like that, and yet that was laughed off. The old sleuth way of Connecting the dots was transformed into Conspiracy theory.
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    Donald Foreman · 1 months ago
    Georgia Guide Stones (work in progress). Reduce population by 6 billion to under 500 million.
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      Occams Razor · 1 months ago
      And where is the CDC Command Center? Atlanta Georgia. Who was HAL talking about tonight NOT doing the job we paid them to do? (HAL was Cussing for Emphasis, not Vulgarity -- big difference). They want everyone calm as they become infected. What kind of BULL is that? Don't bother give anyone a heads up to State/City/Zip where they found the CoronaVirus so you can believe in putting your mask on. Seems they want us to just go Quietly into the night rather than go down with at least a fighting chance.
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    Occams Razor · 1 months ago
    https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/woman-wore-face-mask-bank-223002831.html
    Something else we are going to have to deal with with having a mask / goggles on.
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    Thermionic Emission · 1 months ago
    Unfortunately I missed the first eight minutes of the broadcast. Hal, can we see this document please?
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    Occams Razor · 1 months ago
    HAL Can you post the Image of the TEXT Message?
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    Red Deer · 1 months ago
    After tonight’s show, 14-Feb-2020 Hal exposed the secretive nature of the CDC and I think this attitude exhibited by the CDC is but the tip of the iceberg. The “Russia Gate, Muller and other senatorial inquirers toward the FBI and department of justice probes prove that our government operates behind a smoke screen and secretive behavior. We the People deserve honesty and transparency from our paid public employees. Last I knew we where not under a communistic politburo, or at least not yet. It may be time for citizens to recall their errant elected representatives and initiate the removal of bureau chiefs and supervisors that have facilitated this dishonest and corrupt behavior.
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      Occams Razor · 1 months ago
      When "Medical Marshall Law" comes, all best are off on what little rights you will have and who will help you if you are branded a "Super Spreader?"
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        TSlinger · 1 months ago
        And to think...Persecution of Christians hasn't even begun yet here!!!!
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          Occams Razor · 1 months ago
          In the Pre-Flood area, God had to 'Take' Enoch because he walked with God and living back then tormented him day and night to see the Violence, Injustice, Decadence, Corruption of the Earth and Everything. It was better to end his life than to let him suffer. Today, with all of this In-your-face Gender Bender Decadence it torments those trying to follow the straight forward ways of the Lord.
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            TSlinger · 1 months ago
            I live in AZ...this world today- with the knowledge of God's word...It's like wearing an old. scratchy wool sweater while chopping wood outside in Phoenix in August. I can't think of anything more uncomfortable!
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        TSlinger · 1 months ago
        Forgive me bro- but Martial, not Marshall. You'll get hammered for that on some sites.
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          Occams Razor · 1 months ago
          Thanks and nice shooting there, -- You can be my Editor anytime.
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            TSlinger · 1 months ago
            Appreciate you and your contributions.
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    Donald William Wahl Jr · 1 months ago
    Hal is right on tonight!! Gov't employees are not SUPERIOR to those who place them in their positions of of service. They were average public citizens until they were placed in office, either by election or appointment by elected officials. Nothing and nowhere are they designated as SUPERIOR!!! Whenever they exhibit this attitude, they are obviously in Cover Your Ass mode, forgetting their roots.
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      Occams Razor · 1 months ago
      They are "Public Servants" AKA "Tax Eaters"
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    Donald Foreman · 1 months ago
    Tonight latest news from Hal's radio message. Bottom line: We will be the last to know. All communications will be cut. You are on your OWN.
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      Donald Foreman · 1 months ago
      Comments above a Hal's broadcast today. Remember you can be dead right. But your still dead.
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    Jared Passenger · 1 months ago
    A good point to consider. While you are away in a viral compound, who is watching your house? What is there to stop thugs and robbers from stealing you blind or even moving in? Who is going to watch your pets, children and other people needing care and support? You watch, there will be a rash of looters raiding empty houses in the future if an area is under quarantine and people are taken away from their homes.
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      Mike · 1 months ago
      Exactly! I've been worrying about that myself. We have 3 dogs to be concerned about. Not to mention our other property. Your house could be torched while your away if the vigilantes get word while your gone.
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    Occams Razor · 1 months ago
    Take a look at these plastic lined pits china's digging:

    https://twitter.com/Garnet_Smuczer/status/1226377125713850369
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      Jared Passenger · 1 months ago
      The "pit" is in a construction zone (see cranes in distance) and is probably a concrete foundation area for a concrete pour. Plastic is usually laid down before a pour.
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        Occams Razor · 1 months ago
        Agreed, but it could also be like a landfill where they use a plastic liner, a heavy plastic liner like the one they are using here (look at how many guys need to drag it), to keep from contaminating the water supply. Cranes could be used to lower those heavy tarps down into the pit. They are working at night, kind of clandestine.
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          Sedge Hammer · 1 months ago
          mass graves equal mass evidence. They will burn them, not bury them.
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            Occams Razor · 1 months ago
            Good point, but they might not have the means to burn them, all those fumes from burning bodies in an open pit might contain the virus and put it in a toxic cloud and rain it down everywhere?
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    Adam Morrison · 1 months ago
    Pittsburgh PA alert.....woman in cranberry two PA has been under quarantine for the past week and half, no symptoms, quarantine ends on the 17th.......dammit this keeps getting closer to me.

    https://www.wpxi.com/news/top-stories/pittsburgh-woman-quarantined-after-returning-china-due-coronavirus-concerns/QAOJ4JQ3NVACPOTGOZYJVE4RSA/
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    Occams Razor · 1 months ago
    So, the next question is...if you get tagged as a person who may have come into contact with an infected person, they will probably quarantine you. That means either at home or camp FEMA? And then who is going to take care of your pets, or are they going to "TAKE CARE" of your pets as in Euthanasia?
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      Sedge Hammer · 1 months ago
      Most likely if you have your own home, you'll remain there.
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        Occams Razor · 1 months ago
        IF you are an apartment, and they have to Quarantine / Sanitize the apartment, you could find yourself in Tent City outside with no running water or bathroom, because all the hotels got rented out early, that's what's happening in China right now and people are jumping off bridges because they have no where to go.
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      jw williams · 1 months ago
      I second this question
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      Jared Passenger · 1 months ago
      Pets, children, elderly, and home defense against robbers breaking in because that WILL become a problem when thugs know you are not at home. Watch for it!
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        Sedge Hammer · 1 months ago
        If this is as bad as you all are worried about, then there's going to be so many sick, that'll be not a worry for the most part. Plus if the cities are on lock down, the national guard/military will have the power to shoot most likely.
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          Occams Razor · 1 months ago
          I think even in China, 25% of Law Enforcement were missing during this Crisis, they packed up and Fled. I mean most people are going to be worried about their own family and say to themselves, I'm not getting myself and my entire family killed for $25 an hour. They are going to be looking after their own family realizing how limited they are in 1 cop per 50 people. Would you outsource your own self defense? That's the definition of insanity at those odds. How good are those men if they are worried about their own family all the time?
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    Jared Passenger · 1 months ago
    By the end of March, we may (or may not know from "official sources") know how this is going to play out in the US. You can bet people are infected right now, wandering around in the cities, airports, work, food preparation areas etc. spreading this which will start popping up after 14 to 24 days. Watch the hospitals.
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    jw williams · 1 months ago
    Question:
    After reading this, does this mean if a familly member is possibly positive, is the rest of the household members is going to be separated and isolated from each other in different places and cities?
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      Sedge Hammer · 1 months ago
      If the family member is positive, then you all will be considered positive until you prove otherwise. I suspect you'll be quarantined in place if you are in your own home. Apartment building, then you'll all most likely be moved.
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      Grim · 1 months ago
      Once medical martial law is declared, a series of FEMA Presidential executive orders come into play. These orders were first put in place by Jimmy Carter, but then subsequently updated by all Presidents up through Obama. Basically when they want to, the government can do whatever they want to you. They can take your possessions, confiscate your food, etc.. They can also force register every member of your family, separate you and send you to work/concentration(fun) camps. Essentially, this series of FEMA orders totally nullifies the Constitution and you're instantly living in a clone of North Korea. Doesn't sound possible?....Here ya go, read them carefully.

      https://texianpartisan.com/fema-confiscations-legalized-theft/
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        TSlinger · 1 months ago
        Grim...this is on my mind too. I'm getting an unsettled feeling...add all we've been discussing here, to this:

        https://ncrenegade.com/editorial/will-you-be-a-sheep-or-will-you-fight-the-wolves/#comment-172518

        and then think about "gun control"...do you see the link?
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          Grim · 1 months ago
          It's been said for years, that when tyranny finally came in, it would be under medical martial law. No matter what country you are talking about, including the US, *public safety* overrules individual rights every time. It's the only quasi-legal way the powers-that-be can literally throw out the Constitution and instantly have their way with us. It's looking like it can and will be happening very soon. The Satanic elites have to make their move now, because the world has woken up to their evil.